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Re: forum

Post by kettu » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:23 am

Letting the community die like this..

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Re: The Forum/Discord link

Post by Ryozuki » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:21 am

deen wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:38 am
GG Kid wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:38 pm
so it appears to be an internal struggle, i wish they would work things work behind the scenes, but this is between them at the cost of us. i'm glad to stay out of other peoples cold war's right now. so please do the right, first, last & always.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I just noticed that the forum became inactive (< 1 useful post per day) and on Discord there is a bunch of idiots, racists and other trolls running around, so I wouldn't wish anyone to have to read that.
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Re: forum

Post by Im 'corneum » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:36 am

who would have thought that the community of a childgame is childish.
heinrich is too old for teeworlds. if he wants a nice community he can start playing farming simulator.
nobody is offended except old grumpy coders
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Re: The Forum/Discord link

Post by Silex » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:40 pm

deen wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:38 am
I just noticed that the forum became inactive (< 1 useful post per day) and on Discord there is a bunch of idiots, racists and other trolls running around, so I wouldn't wish anyone to have to read that.
Most powerfull statement ever and perfectly described the current situation. Thanks. Some trolling back in time was fun, meanwhile it's just annoying and we both know some troll has to write something to that also.

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Re: The Forum/Discord link

Post by Im 'corneum » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:35 pm

Silex wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:40 pm
deen wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:38 am
I just noticed that the forum became inactive (< 1 useful post per day) and on Discord there is a bunch of idiots, racists and other trolls running around, so I wouldn't wish anyone to have to read that.
Most powerfull statement ever and perfectly described the current situation. Thanks. Some trolling back in time was fun, meanwhile it's just annoying and we both know some troll has to write something to that also.
does his ass taste good?
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Re: The Forum/Discord link

Post by hi_leute_gll » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:48 pm

deen wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:38 am
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I just noticed that the forum became inactive (< 1 useful post per day) and on Discord there is a bunch of idiots, racists and other trolls running around, so I wouldn't wish anyone to have to read that.
That's exactly what I predicted to happen if you move testing to Discord. I said that the forum will die if you remove Map-Testing and that the Discord channel is too spammy for serious talks.

Also some of these "bunch of idiots" and "other trolls" are the ones you call "admins".
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Re: The Forum/Discord link

Post by aaa » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:00 pm

Im 'corneum wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:35 pm
Silex wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:40 pm
deen wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:38 am
I just noticed that the forum became inactive (< 1 useful post per day) and on Discord there is a bunch of idiots, racists and other trolls running around, so I wouldn't wish anyone to have to read that.
Most powerfull statement ever and perfectly described the current situation. Thanks. Some trolling back in time was fun, meanwhile it's just annoying and we both know some troll has to write something to that also.
does his ass taste good?

mind your language.
also pretty funny coming from you when you literally wrote love posts to deen a few months ago just to criticize him and insult people praising him now. hypocrite much?

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Re: forum

Post by Ninjed » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:55 pm

Just return Forum button please
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Re: The Forum/Discord link

Post by Prankster » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:53 pm

deen wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:38 am
GG Kid wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:38 pm
so it appears to be an internal struggle, i wish they would work things work behind the scenes, but this is between them at the cost of us. i'm glad to stay out of other peoples cold war's right now. so please do the right, first, last & always.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I just noticed that the forum became inactive (< 1 useful post per day) and on Discord there is a bunch of idiots, racists and other trolls running around, so I wouldn't wish anyone to have to read that.
Agree with this. As hi_leute_gll said, you are describing the admins perfectly. When I was on the discord channel most of the times I only saw non-teeworlds-related shit-talking, especially from moderators. Like 95%+ of the times I was talking about teeworlds related stuff (even in the moment I got banned), because I thought that's what the discord channel is for. Sad to see that jao runs that channel for a different reason, and considers teeworlds related conversations childish and spam. I mean if he wants it to hang out with his friends why doesn't he make an other channel for that? And either let someone else run the one for DDNetwork, which is actually made for game-related content or he runs that one too and treats it properly (the latter probably won't work tho, he already had a chance). Of course he can use the map testing and developer channel as defense, meaning they are highly teeworlds related, but then again, as hi_leute_gll said, moving the map testing is the reason, why the forum is dying. And whenever you go through the forum posts, you can see that the threads are highly game-related, moderated well. It's harder to spam here and if someone tries it's easy to punish him. With changing to discord, jao let the whole thing wander to completely off-topic. I can understand you don't want DDNetwork to be identified with the discord channel. Pathetic how many offensive, completely off-topic things are tolerated there, filled with flaming and insults, but if you ping the @moderator once that they don't deem appropriate usage, you get banned on an instant. Letting players get insulted on so many levels, but if you just say one bad word against a specific moderator, then "rule 11" and you are out. And I am not talking about insulting a moderator, just asking why he did what he did and stating that you don't think that's the right way to manage the situation. On forum? People can read easily everything you wrote, they don't need to scroll back for hours, so as a moderator you have to behave yourself. In the game? There are rules you have to follow as a moderator or you may be removed. On discord? No rules are made and kept well. So people like jao are just enjoying their endless, superior power. Oh wait did I just break rule 11? Who cares, I hope at least some moderators will read it and think about it, before I get banned. How is jao a responsible discord moderator letting all that inappropriate things there, when there are a lot of kids that are playing this game? But complain about the way it is or discuss in-game problems? That is just not allowed! It's time to stop blaming the players, it's not entirely their fault that the discord channel doesn't work properly: it's the moderators' fault. Why? Because they can't manage trolls. There are trolls in almost every big community - it's their duty to take care of them. And they chose to allow non-teeworlds related trolling, which makes the discord channel the way you described (a lot of times it is done by them as well), but teeworlds-related trolls suffer bigger punishment. And let alone me, who just gets abused for fun, but that's an other topic. It's probably the worst combination: abusing ban when it shouldn't be abused and allowing situations, when it should be clearly used.

In conclusion, I think the forum should be kept and the map testing system should be moved back here as soon as possible. This should be the interface that unites the DDNet community. Easier to manage, like do you see any inappropriate posts last long here? And deen, even if I have issues with how you are doing in-game moderating, I have to admit, that what you started here and managed here worked (and could still work) completely fine. Look at all the jokes that were made even by trolls: mostly game related and not inappropriate. It's a much friendlier environment. And I am not saying that discord is all bad - not at all. It's just not the channel for all the younger audience and all the people that don't like offensive jokes, shit-talking etc. or are only curious about the game-related content. Or at least not in its current state. By letting the testing system be moved to discord, many community members had to move there. And now this forum is becoming a ghost-town.
As a side note: discord could work with a different, better moderating staff. In private I can give you advice who should be removed, but by now you probably now already. And not because they are bad people in general - it's just that they are not capable of the duty that was assigned to them, they don't know how to treat that power. I hope sooner or later you will realize it, just remember that I told you way before to remove Ryozuki, but you didn't listen to me and you waited 'till things escalated. But obviously managing discord is a harder job than managing the forum.

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Re: forum

Post by Index » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:02 pm

Well, ddnet is finally dead now..

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