Selected Maps

[Silex]

@jao: You are the guy who spreads lies into my face and asking for a friendship afterwards, sorry if i get angry sometimes in this special case (don't use our discussions as an argument in case you are bad at arguing)

True, fake cunt

[Konsti]

I cant understand how such an useless discussion about nonsense shit can be that hard on fire.
How about dont give a shit on the shit hi_leute_gll say?
He does not care about this topic, he just want the names of the player who maybe did somerhing wrong so he can flame him then

[Jimmy Jazz The 1st]

It is clear that Hi_leute has some sort of superiority complex where he has to prove his intelligence or how he does stuff better. But aside from all of that his suggestions are not bad, he just doesnt seem to direct them very nicely. So its understandable people are tired of responding to him.

[StorмPʜöɴix]

This "discussion" isnt leading anywhere near good. Either the people who got a problem with this list should come up with improvements, or leave it be. Like alreay mentioned, there is no point in declareing the creators names of that list.

[Welf]

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You are not wrong, though this was never mentioned and there was no response/change whatsoever.

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As hi_leute said, the process may was too subjective, so that's a thing you can (objectively) asume went wrong. And there is more stuff, such as making rushed decisions, including people with little knowledge, etc..

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If you think explaining how it was done is sufficent, then why didn't you do it already for your list?

Instead of making a new useful post, you are editing your post? Why? I didn't even realise, that you changed it.

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1. now you have a responding aaa and instead of arguing you say that he doesn't respond. Yeah that is also usefull for a discussion in this forum. I bet it triggers him. Please don't harass him any further lol.

2./3. So what do you want? I think we don't have enough trusted persons who are motivated to make a new list. Even if so, it would be biased. It can't be an objective list.

Maybe we should make a new thread if a better ordered discussion. I am confused right now.

[hi_leute_gll]

would the list feel better if it was made by a "balanced team of mappers/pros casual" rather than "a single player"?
what would that exactly change in the currently selected maps?

If this list was made by a balanced team then this would mean that these maps got support by multiple and different people, which then would mean that there is really a point why they are in there and why others aren't. This would be a completely different base to argue on than if it was made by only a single person.

what matters is how you're gonna fix it, if that's what u actually want

I explained very detailed how to do a proper selection. Ofc this doesn't mean that this is the only way to do.

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Edit: @hi_leute_gll in the past you never revealed the list of iMTG members (aka the guys who made your selected maps), but you are not able to understand, that names shouldn't be leaked?

edit: ironically enough hi_leute even demonstrates this, proving himself wrong on the importance of knowing the names.
he explains how imtg proceeded without any name being mentionned, simply the method they used and that's more than enough to understand how it was made, having the full list would literally not change anything besides ppl flaming the members (hint: it even happened on this thread without a single name being called, now imagine with actual names.)

There were always two guys from iMTG (Soreu and me) who were known and who took the responsibility for what iMTG is doing. Also in public.
What we kept secret were the names of further members, because they should be able to just have fun testing without the need to deal with idiots.
After some time though they started to use iMTG as clan-tag and/or put iMTG in their signature in this forum. Still people knew that Soreu and me are the persons to contact, because of our previous way to handle this topic. That way they could stay mostly unharmed, but out themselves as iMTG members.

Everyone who is deeper into this community knew (at least most) of our members after half a year or so and there were always these two people you could contact. I think that is a big difference to the current topic where we don't know a single name of who is responsible. We don't even know which admin confirmed this list. (There must be an (technical) admin included, since only people with admin-access can change that list on the servers.)
Additionally iMTG was known for publishing well made maps, so people knew that the guys working on the Selected Maps can't be complete idiots, while about the current list it could be everyone who did it...maybe even people who don't have any idea about mapping or who do play only rarely...

Anyway, as you might recognized: One of these two "officially" known members of iMTG (to be precise: me) explained our methods in this thread, while there is still no explaination at all about the new list.

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If I was to improve the list, I would try to work it out with the person who made it as they have most knowledge about it and else it would be pretty unfair for them. Also, to know how to improve you have to know what went wrong, so you obviously have to get those informations from the person who is responsible for it.

and even if you could, you would just need an explanation by whoever did it on how they proceeded, you REALLY don't need the names to be included in the thinking process.

Then tell me please, how am I supposed to get "an explanation by whoever did it" if I don't know who did it? Do you expect me to ask an anonymous person?^^

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You are not wrong, though this was never mentioned and there was no response/change whatsoever.

[...]

As hi_leute said, the process may was too subjective, so that's a thing you can (objectively) asume went wrong. And there is more stuff, such as making rushed decisions, including people with little knowledge, etc..

[...]

If you think explaining how it was done is sufficent, then why didn't you do it already for your list?

Instead of making a new useful post, you are editing your post? Why? I didn't even realise, that you changed it.

edit:
1. now you have a responding aaa and instead of arguing you say that he doesn't respond. Yeah that is also usefull for a discussion in this forum. I bet it triggers him. Please don't harass him any further lol.

2./3. So what do you want? I think we don't have enough trusted persons who are motivated to make a new list. Even if so, it would be biased. It can't be an objective list.

Maybe we should make a new thread if a better ordered discussion. I am confused right now.

To 1: aaa basically only responds to explain why he doesn't respond to the topic itself and won't give any information. Anyway these information would be needed to progress further in this discussion.

To 2./3.: I personally also doubt that it is possible to again build up such a group of people which could do a proper list. But well...then the conclusion should be to just keep the Selected Maps as they were before or to remove them completely instead of improving something you aren't able to improve (and then just mess it up)?

Also I never claimed iMTG list to be 100% objective and THE ideal list. Back then it was even you, Welf, who created a topic in this forum where people can discuss about the selected maps after they are finished and we planned to include the player's feedback in our list.

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It is clear that Hi_leute has some sort of superiority complex where he has to prove his intelligence or how he does stuff better. But aside from all of that his suggestions are not bad, he just doesnt seem to direct them very nicely. So its understandable people are tired of responding to him.

The thing is rather that I want things to be done as good as possible and get annoyed if people are statisfied with half-done or poorly made solutions.

[Welf]

TL DR: My opinion is better than urs, so ur list sucks

[Jimmy Jazz The 1st]

Instead of posting this thread and telling everyone what they do wrong or right or what you guys used to do right, you could have come up with a new list. Would have been less effort, people could vote, and so forth. But unfortunately you choose to argue.

[hi_leute_gll]

Unfortunately you aren't capable to read the whole thread and get what kind of effort it needs to do a proper list.

[Jimmy Jazz The 1st]

Summon your Hi_Leute soldiers to help you