Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

[Roruman]

@Tezcan, the problem here is mostly about moderation. I wonder who made this topic: http://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2030

I already said I accepted how wayblockers play unfair.
However, saying the wayblock problem is useless is false, blocker servers are first in numbers of players, and they are not enjoyable.
And since you said it, "stop crying" about someone posting a topic.

I know about teams, but it is not practically possible, because I know only a handful of people who are helpers in a good sense (not helper of blockers, which is a blocker by extension).
If you can't play an online game with strangers in correct terms, there is a problem. The fact that voting is disabled also says a lot about the situation of these blocker servers.

[Tezcan]

@Tezcan, the problem here is mostly about moderation. I wonder who made this topic: http://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2030

I already said I accepted how wayblockers play unfair.
However, saying the wayblock problem is useless is false, blocker servers are first in numbers of players, and they are not enjoyable.
And since you said it, "stop crying" about someone posting a topic.

I know about teams, but it is not practically possible, because I know only a handful of people who are helpers in a good sense (not helper of blockers, which is a blocker by extension).
If you can't play an online game with strangers in correct terms, there is a problem. The fact that voting is disabled also says a lot about the situation of these blocker servers.

Are you serious? r0x.fr host the well known block servers, not DDNet (not more). Yes i made this topic because it's a part of DDNet, they host this mod, you know?

Maybe you're right, i should not do this topic (because Code of Cunduct). But still you are wrong, it is useless.
This is why the block servers are still first number of players. Because they didn't got banned for this kind of block. Yes it's a part of Block and noone should change it.
I fully agree with o_tee_one in this case.

[Roruman]

@Tezcan

Are you serious? We already talked about this in this topic and I know it. DDNet still hosts blocker that are outside of Europe, and was hosting Europe blocker servers just until recently! I know now that r0x.fr is hosting blocker servers once again.

I am not accusing you of making the topic you made, I think you are right to have made this topic. After all, I make a similar topic. But you are wrong for telling me I should not have made my topic, when it is similar to your topic. We both expose bad moderation.

Now your quote: "This is why the block servers are still first number of players. Because they didn't got banned for this kind of block."
I already said this, and you say I am wrong? For what?

I have to explain this again to you...
Read the title: "Unjust 'Faker' bans on Blamps".
I am not focused about blocking, but about banning.

I won't tell you to go elsewhere if you don't like it, like other people often tell me.
I'm glad you came in the discussion, but instead of just saying "I am wrong" and "you fully agree in o_tee_one", and don't mistake the main subject of this post. (I repeat: FAKE BANNING, not BLOCKING).

[Roruman]

@o_tee_one

"Lexer is one of the best moderator TeeWorlds blockers can have. And a really friendly and kind tee."
I believe you. Though, in this case, he was wrong.

I said that I know about not being able to teleport. You mentioned teleporting when I was talking about banning, so let's forget about these "cheats"...

This "no fake" rule is wrong. Lexer said you can insult, he is also spreading false rules. Why did he say this? He didn't do his work correctly, because he only banned one faker, when there are other people who insulted and he didn't care about it (probably because he "has no time for his shit" unless Lisa asks him).

If you add the minutes of my ban, I had 405 minutes of ban. I can talk about moderating even if I am not banned, you're not making sense. He banned me for 5 minutes, but he forced me to change name, so if I didn't he would have banned longer.

What if xRoThx said he wanted to make the best administration? I'm not saying it is easy. In general, being a judge is hard job. I'm looking at the facts, about what he did, not what he said before, whether he was thinking it or not.

"but you talk about something we already know"
I am justifying why you must remove the "no fake" rule, you don't already know why because you don't do it. I did not come here for no reason.

"Talked with DDNet admins : faking is not allowed too"
Before in Teeworlds you said it wasn't disallowed. Anyway, the question is not if it is allowed or not, I am discussing WHY.

Faking is not blockers' mind?
It's just a strategy, that uses name. Changing names is not blocker's mind? There is not reason to forbid it, as far as gameplay goes. Blockers change names to not be recognised, then use their real names when they have all weapons. It is not faking, but it is not "blockers' mind" as you say.

The way people play Royale right now is not fun and not interesting, it is a state of "boring wb for the sake of rage". People do not try to hone their skills, just to make their opponents mad. It's like saying DDoS is the ultimate blocking, it is like wb, and it is blocker's spirit and should be encouraged. After all, blocking makes the other players unable to move, and DDoS does it too, so it's just blocking!

"like faking and insulting, it's the game"
I am talking about changing the rules, I am not here for being told that it is fate and nothing can change.

You definitely don't understand. Lisa is my enemy in game, she herself decided to, but I am not accusing her in this topic and am not asking for her to be punished now! My criticism is towards the "no faking" rule; it is in the title!
What she does is definitely unfair. Her friend (maybe he wasn't her friend?) attacks me for no reason, so it's a fight between me and him. If she makes it a personal fight, she is wrong. It is just cowardly many vs 1 (it was more like 3 or 4 vs 1).
In her place, I wouldn't have helped this friend, because he picked a fight himself, and it was a bad fight to begin with. And this is obviously the right way to play.

"a proof that you have to earn experience in your strategy"
I have already enough of those. If you need real proof, I have automatic records of all my games, so I could let you browse through them and then see if you still call me a "newbie".

From what I've seen, you're not what I'd consider to be an aggressive player. I was referring to people who don't talk at all, don't try to make an interesting fight, and are just focused their number of casualties and how mad they were able to make them.

I know very well how blockers work. I you really think I am just naive and only complaining, you have not read me correctly for all this discussion, and you have then maybe lost your time (though I precise it's not my fault).

I can change nothing?
Of course, I won't hack the server and change the rules myself, but I thought that's what communication was about, especially in indie games.

[imp]

Most of the mods I like are empty: Catch16

Best mod ever existed.

[Roruman]

Yes, kids can even tell their parents it is a painting game where no one dies and there are no weapons and no wars in it.

[Roruman]

@o_tee_one: Tu veux bien hoster du Catch16 ? (https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4812)
Actuellement il n'y a que 2 serveurs allemands toujours vides.
J'ai réussi à populariser ce mode ces deux derniers jours. Une fois que quelques joueurs sont présents, le serveur devient plus visible sur la liste, puis il se remplit très vite et reste plein pendant longtemps.
Je remarque que certains joueurs adorent ce mod, déplorent son impopularité, tandis que d'autres ne le connaissent donc pas. Tout est zCatch aujourd'hui...
Il est laborieux de recruter sur chaque petit serveur, alors que l'héberger sur r0x lui donnerait un peu plus d'attention. Ca lag pour certains aussi sur les deux serveurs actuels. Il y a trop de serveurs allemands de toute façon.

[o_tee_one]

@Roruman ok je vais y penser mais ça ne changera pas grand chose à la popularité, ça s’essouffle c'est tout, c'est comme ça :/.
Bref je vais en mettre un d'ici la fin du mois.

[Schwertspize]

maybe let me answer too. because I am running several block server and it's too difficult to moderate them, I think you should define some rules in the source code and do not moderate as human. what I mean is, I don't think bad about fakers. sometimes it's a strategy, then please fake. I just don't like it when they are faking just for fun to imitate me or someone else. you could say "(x) name" is a rule against fakers, but I don't think so. I think it's a rule against people with the same name. so that you text one and both get highlighted.

my big plan to solve the wayblock system and teamblock is AnonymousBlock. the idea is, that you can't differ between people and you can't identify people as who they are (name, skin). it's solved like nobody has a name displayed in game (of course chat, but changed) and a skin displayed in game, so everyone can block you without consequences. it would be way more egoistic and u think it would kill most of the team block (because also nobody can give you "life" because they don't know who you are (except if only 2 people are online, a quick look into the server browser ^^). AnonymousBlock is currently under developement, together with uDDRace 2.0, our (including Tobii, old author of uDDRace) remake of something we call DDNet Block (you can try out this feature at our servers, look at the votes). look for Tactical Effective Block

[Roruman]

@o_tee_one:
Merci ! Est-ce que je pourrai te donner un autre exécutable si jamais il y a besoin de réglages ?

@Schertspize:
I am interested in these block variants. It is something I wished for, much more than human moderation. I will gladly try them and provide feedback. I especially like the idea of several specifications of blockers, for several gameplays. A blocker without rules can't easily gain rules that will satisfy all, so several cases will provide for all wishes, and avoid these wished to clash with each others like at present time.
Hey, AnonymousBlock reminds me of Catch16 with the settings "Names hidden". It's biased, but I can see some good coming out of it. It would not solve all problems, but provide a good specification of blocker. Getting read of teams is quite hard, agar.io is still struggling with it.

You are probably mostly right. "(x) name" is first a rule to set the names and players as a bijection. But that's not all. Because some characters that are different are considered the same, for the sake of visibility, and maybe fakers. Example: ' and ` l and I.