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Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

Post by Roruman »

This is a complaint towards the moderations rules in place in blocker servers, which are often observed in my experience, despite the lack of official ones.
Before you tell me to not denounce a moderator, but to settle in private about this matter, I intend this post to be about a general reform which would lead to a creation of a code of conduct for moderators, and players if possible, in blocker servers, and not just some petty conflict between a lost admin and a raging kid. I experienced this situation, and could not solve it through talk enough times to consider it an issue to be shared here.


Here is a quick retelling of the events, which situation should be familiar to many people.

A few minutes ago, I went to BlmapPepe.
I encountered someone named "Lisa. :)", who I met long ago, as a helper of someone who was way-blocking me, while neither of them wanted to explain why they blocked me. I was new at the time, using a fresh name, so it must have been for "fun". Nothing spectacular. Therefore, since then, I block this "Lisa. :)", who I consider of disregarding helper of way-blocker.
"Lisa. :)" herself seems to have a lot of helpers, when she herself is a helper who besides that, does nothing else but standing idle (probably waiting to help).
To counter this and avoid all her helpers, I called myself "Lisa :)", which is the same nickname, without the ".". It worked, as I was able to face her more easily.

However, entered the admin or moderator online at the time, let's call him or her [Mod], who told me to change my name to stop faking.
Instead, I answered that if he wanted to moderate, but not be another helper of this Lisa spoiled girl, he should first mute all the people who insult, and ban all those who hard block and ruin the game, as to fairly impart judgement on everyone.
He explained me it is allowed to insult, but not to fake.
I said I was only using a combination of a common name and a classic smiley, which is a different name because of the lack of ".", and I was pretending to be her, by taking her place and talking to her friends as her for example. I asked him how he could know if I did not chose this name first on Teeworlds, and to check the logs if he really wanted to be thorough. As you can see, at this stage, I was playing on words, as it was clear I was partially faking Lisa, but I wanted to show him how much of a joke his trial was. To begin with, it is ludicrous to ban someone as a faker, when there is already an automatic system than numbers the same names in the format of "(n)...". It is just like voting against people for camping in zCatch, when there is a freezing system for what the game considers camping, and against spawnkilling in FNG, when you come all the way through the map, in a nest of enemies, where you can only freeze them, while they have their highest-point spikes here for receiving you...
As expected, he answered "I don't have time for this shit.".
He finally banned me for 5 minutes with reason "Faker.".

It's not finished!
When the ban time was elapsed, I came back, using the name "[Mod] = NoobMod".
I started telling him something like "YOU SAID I CAN INSULT, THEN YOU CAN'T BAN ME FOR SAYING YOU ARE WORST THAN ALL WB TOGETHER, YOU ARE REALLY A [censored long insult]"... Then I insulted Lisa, and one of her helpers who got in my way.
[Mod] stood idle for awhile, saying nothing, then finally banned me for "400 minutes".

EDIT: This happened on a r0x.fr server, however, I had similar problems, among others, on DDNet servers before they were closed.
There was a certain admin that would belittle, mute and kick people who displeased him... but that is probably finished, and was a more specific problem.


I know you moderators have "no time for this shit", but if you really have no time and don't want to moderate the chat, don't put a stupid anti-fake rule, that you only apply for preferential treatment.
People who attack the entire server often don't get banned, people who insult don't get banned (except for me, and anyone who insults an admin for too long), but some faker who dares use the holy name of a noble of the server gets rekt.

I also have "no time for this shit"; I don't want to put up with any more injustice and animosity. Even if I find these blocker servers riddled with problems, mostly because of their player community, I still try to play on it, because I like the gameplay, and I don't want to let the people who play unfair and with no respect always win. The moderators should also go this way, not the opposite.
I consider "faking" to be a strategy, and one of the only effective against a huge network of blockers that hard block and help each other.

In game, I try to be courteous to the other players as much as possible. However, when they ignore what I say and flame too much, I need to defend myself. The blocker servers are such a place.
I consider this case to be more wrong than people who attack the servers. At least, when the entire server is attacked, everybody is equally "blocked", and the hellish state that these Blmaps are often in is suspended for awhile.

Now, make a chart for these blocker servers, for moderators and players. I talked about it in this post: http://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=4 ... 308#p22228
Also, don't ban me or censor me on this forum. Thanks.
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Re: Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

Post by o_tee_one »

Hey Roruman :),

DDNet has never hosted blmapPepe, it's from r0x.fr, my own community. When you started to tell your story, i was thinking it was me, but what you describe is definitely not from me.

I understand what you mean.

Well, now an other point, rules was updated to say "no insult and no fake" so now, on complaint, we moderate if the tee who made the complaint has not done bad things before. It's too easy to complaint to hope something against your ennemy and, "we have no time for this shit".

Lisa is a longtime player from my servers ... Did she insulted you ? I think nothing happen for no reason :/.

We can read logs, it will take a while, i dont really have time to do that (work, some prioritys on r0x.fr, etc).

As i've said, blmapPepe is not DDNet part, so it's not DDNet problem if you had this, it's my problem. And it's not DDNet mind to ban or censore for this.
What was you nick ingame ?
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Re: Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

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There are no ddnet blocker servers in europe anymore. I am sorry, but you wont change anything with arguing about servers which don't belong to ddnet. We also don't have many blockers who are in this forum (so you are somehow talking to nobody here).

The moderator was acting unfair, but i can understand that he banned you for 400 minutes (you wrote annoying stuff in chat and you probably spammed). Accept that people are unfair (sometimes the Admin/Moderator is the friend of your Foe), i know that blocker prefer servers without admins, so maybe just choose another server.

I also understand that he has "no time for this shit", when i am playing a map and there is a problem on the server, i don't like to watch them in spec for 5 mins to understand the situation and to control it (my group would get mad if i am not there all the time).

On ddnet we have trusted moderators/admins, who also have to think about what they do and they might be removed, if they do wrong, so i think your problem about unfair mods is not that bad on the ddrace servers.

After i read o_tee_ones post:
Talk to him about unfair mods (if it is about the blocker server from him), i think there will be a solution :P
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Re: Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

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Indeed, it wasn't you, @o_tee_one.
Well, you could probably find my nick easily from my ban. I think it was "Helplease" at first.

Yes, the example I used was the most recent one, but as I said, it happened on many servers, amongst which were those hosted by DDNet. I went mostly to the latter, as they were the most active, and had much more stories like this here.
@Welf: Actually, I had more problems on the DDNet Royale blocker servers.

I saw these new r0x rules.
I of course agree with the "no insults" part, even though I don't see it respected. This [Mod] even told me, probably just to make me look like an evil sinner, that "you can insult, but not fake".
Eww, faking is so bad! Someone who wb everyone is the hero of the server, he incarnates the "blocker server" ideology, while a faker is just a dirty player. This "no fake" rule is ridiculous, because:
  1. there are many people with similar names, what "faking" is exactly is not properly defined
  2. anyway, you can't check who the name belongs to, except by favouritism or tedious work
  3. there is already the (1)name system, and if that's not enough, make an account system that will be more fair and less troublesome (moderate all-time something impossible to judge or use a system?)
  4. "faking" is a strategy, and it is also sometimes the only way to have a chance against a team of hard unfair blockers
  5. Have you thought of banning "Adolf Hitler" guys before fakers? In many country, you can call yourself Lisa, but in some, you can't call yourself "Adolf Hitler".
Lisa did not insult me. In fact, she doesn't answer me and completely ignores me, apart from blocking me. She is like a bot. Not moving, not using an emote, then going to help someone I defend against for her obscure reasons.
Oh, she was there for a long time... I knew it. That's why she has helpers, can do whatever she wants, like discard in chat and in game a nobody like me, and has admin support by default. Teeworlds doesn't need accounts, when you can get your name registered to the admins...

As it is, the moderation is no better than no moderation, or even player voting.
@Welf: If the moderator is here to play, he just says it and doesn't moderate at all, even if he wants to please his friends who complain, because it will result in a half-assed job like this and all previous times. To begin with, the rules are a wreck, so it is better to leave them as warning and not have the moderator enforce them to avoid such pitfalls.

"There are no ddnet blocker servers in europe anymore."
I kind of understood this, but there was no official announcement (apart from short answers in http://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2105=), and I am talking about the past and maybe the future.

"We also don't have many blockers who are in this forum"
I am talking to people who run the game.

"you wrote annoying stuff"
He wrote annoying stuff, and said that insulting, what I did, was allowed, so I did it after he did the very annoying act of banning me. He doubly contradicted himself.
I didn't spam, I wrote one or two chat messages, which were different, to the mod, as long as the chat allowed me too, another to Lisa, and another to her random helper.

"Accept that people are unfair" [...] "just choose another server"
Most of the mods I like are empty: Catch16, Battlefield. EDIT: I made a topic about it, followed by @Fifi.
Even OpenFNG isn't very used. I am not fond of DDRace, but I like the gameplay of the "blocker servers", which revolves around the hook, one of the elements of Teeworlds I like the most.
However, there is a real problem with these blocker servers... Even if I quit, they are used at the worst of their potential, with the most players, playing the worst way.
What will the new Steam players think of these servers, who are more popular than the sea of DDrace servers?
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Re: Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

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DDNet no longer hosts V3ROYAL ... It's me now. But there was one active admin in V3ROYAL when it was DDNet, after xrothx was away, it was me, with my forum nick. I know that xrothx was disagree with fakers, i've just followed is mind.

We can find fastly fakers when it's our friend who's faked. We know them and know how they think and work, sometime we know theyr IP or their ping, or we have them in Skype. Well ; it takes just 5 minutes to know if it's faker or no for them. For other, we have to be sure it's not a fake complaint, and sometime we can't just say "ok he is fake, i ban" cause we can ban the true one. You understand how hard it could be to be fair against fakers ?
I've a friend specialised in faking, he doesn't understand why i ban him sometime, i just ban if there is complaint cause i'm able to know if it's him or not. It's problematic, he is a friend, but rules are rules.
If someone fake me (ahah, someone is the nick of my everyday faker ...), i ban, it's easy ; i do the same with other admins, even if they're part of DDNet, i disallow staff fakers.

I've banned many time "Hitler", but isn't just a nick ? Is forbidden to be named Hitler or Adolf ? "Adolf Hitler" is forbidden, that's right. But understand to that when you forbid something, some stupid players (or just kids players) will do the same ; it's hard to keep a "good mind" in a most played blocker server.

Lisa has no admin support, but when a player do nothing against rules, what can you say ? I must kick loyal players for helping their friends or having a personnal gameplay ? If someone has never cheated in the past, never got kicked or banned for bad thing, and other, i've nothing to do againt him ; and i'm happy to host a player like this, who's never complaint or abuse cause there is admin online. I'm someone available for all tees, many tees knows me cause i think i'm one of the most available admins in TW, i'm just a player before beeing an adminI, by the way.

If you worry about beeing faked, just be friendly with admin, don't think he's admin but just a player who could be fine with you. Again, i'm open to all friendly tees, when a tee comes to me and just do a hug or a hi, i do the same, even if i don't know him or don't remember him, i'm a friendly admin and i've friendly admins on my network. Don't be a douchbag and we will all be "cool" with you, no more.

Sometime, as admin, i just want to play, but tees not understand it ; you say if we want to just play, we haven't to moderate, but you are wrong. It's not possible, cause your nick is knows to be admin or mod, so players won't understand that today, you just want to be a player. You have to change nick, i don't want to use an other nick, i'm o_tee_one. When i'm not logged in and i have like 10 minutes to play, i just don't want to admin, and if there is no big problems, i just say "sorry, i'm not logged in, i'm here just to play now" ; it's the best way to don't be "bored" or "annoyed" by a "job" which is not a job but just a service you give to other, a time you offer.

Again, rules are here but not applyed everytime. If a player do a complaint, we see if it's legitimate and true, and we do our role. But it's the same if an admin or a moderator see something and want like "complaint" against this, he is able too. If a player blocks me with cheat, i disagree and ban, it's normal for me, i'm fair and i dont want to hate the game cause of a stupid cheater. I do the same for who makes a complaint against cheat, i help with that.

There's some blockers, but not many. And i got information on your complaint directly by DDNet chat (IRC) cause EastByte (or deen ?) told me that there is a thing for me. But cause i'm not a real ddrace player (just sometime), i'm not often on the forum ; maybe it will change, i'm thinking on how to help DDNet community to grow :). Btw, i think Welf doesn't knows me :p.

You have to understand that some players just plays with "limits", like "it's not forbidden, so i can just play with that" ... but 1 time ok, 2 times it's annoying, 3 times no, stop to kidding me. You understand ? We are not here to manage a nursury ... It's a game that we like, and we want to play. Don't play with rules, they are here to protect and help you and your gaming experience, no more. That's what Welf wanted to say i think.

Find the latest Battlefield mod for me and i'll host it, about Catch you have zCatch hosted by DDNet. About OpenFNG there is 1 or 2 servers often played with 10 to 16 players. Blockers are awesome for me too, but don't forget thats just a PvP game, and PvP comes with a lot of boring stuff like what you said (helpers, flamers, insults, etc.) ; don't forget it's just a game, be more annoyer by being better than your ennemys. I've worked on that on my side too, it's more funny.
Real PvP players love this mind, the mind of hard challengers, who's the best, etc. Maybe you are not a real PvP player, like me, but you can learn and understand what is fun with this gameplay, it's possible, i've did that, why not you ? Players from Steam will like this, cause this challenge is what they are looking for. I remember when i've started to host an getting more and more players ... I was like hard moderator, banning all cheaters, insulters and spinbotter ... I've just not understood what kind of problems could result from a PvP server, and how it's important to have some "hard minded" players like that to give a move and an importance to the PvP gameplay. It's like an "ecosystem" you see ?

But don't worry, i take your point in account, and i'll try to find a good way for you and other, but don't be a victim, for you ... It's PvP game, it's hard i know, but it's the war, not hello kitty world.
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Re: Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

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xRoThx was a bad moderator for other reasons as well.

"We can find fastly fakers when it's our friend who's faked." Yes, your friends have an advantage, it's nearly a privilege. You can't find it easily for other players. This is what I call admin support.
If I say "I am the admin" with nickname "Real Admin", am I considered a faker? because I am not an admin, and I pretend to be one, so I am faking you or the other admins, right?
Your "faker" rules are flawed, so to be fair, implement an account system (with a guest option), or do nothing.

I did nothing wrong, your faking rules are wrong, and people faking should not be banned.
Loyal players? Terrorists are loyal to their boss, but they should still be arrested.
In Teeworlds, helping someone who is a rude player is bad. Helping something bad is bad, and being loyal doesn't make it any better.
Concretely, it is just 100vs1 player who asked nothing. Oh, such loyalty, I am impressed.

"If you worry about beeing faked"
I don't care about this, there is already enough chaos in the game, and I find team wb much worse. Faking is a subtle way to overthrow tyrants who use raw power in game.

"just be friendly with admin"
I was at first. He was the one who helped using his admin powers against a player who was picked on, and the first one to call "this shit" what this player was doing, and he even said insults were allowed, and as he used raw force and wasn't open to talking, I showed him and hopefully other players how stupid his moderating was.

Hugging other tees makes you a nice player, not a nice admin. If you hug other tees and bans people for invalid reasons, you are a bad admin. What else is there to say? Even if a simple player makes a lot of hugs and hearts and whatever, and he wb other people, he is an "immoral" player.

"Sometime, as admin, i just want to play, but tees not understand it"
If you moderate, do it properly, and not only in cases which can only work with friends of yours, and in speedy trials, based on wrong rules.
That's why I told the admin, that if he wanted to ban me for fake, I understood, only if he punished all other people who were doing something as wrong as I did, such as flamers.
If you play and don't want to moderate, don't do it, even if you use your admin name, you just have to tell the players that you play, and that this is a no-moderation server, which it is supposed to be.

"Find the latest Battlefield mod for me and i'll host it"
It is already hosted, but very few people play on it, and most are newbies anyway.
"about Catch you have zCatch hosted by DDNet"
I'm talking about Catch16, where you laser other people to join your team. I don't like to wait half the time in zCatch, but strangely, it seems that the longer you are frozen in game, the more popular the mod is!

"and PvP comes with a lot of boring stuff like what you said (helpers, flamers, insults, etc.)"
and admins that ban people who do nothing against that, but ban people who fight it instead.

"We are not here to manage a nursury"
No, you host blocker servers because they are popular and benefit the other DDRace servers. You don't moderate these servers because you think that's their spirit, but oh wait, my friend is whining, so I must let this stupid server create conflicts with my friends if I am not a helper for them.
These rules are the stupidest I have seen. It is better to have no rules as I said. "No insults" is not applied, and "no faking" is the last thing you should touch as I explained...

"be more annoyer by being better than your ennemys"
I always do that. Blockers hated me in Royale. But still, you can't do much when you are alone, against 10 wb in team, and the only people that could be on your side either are oblivious and help the wb because they think you are the bad guy when you win, or they help on purpose to try to be friend with the wb.
Even if you allow such ridiculous gameplay, you shouldn't allow the blockers reaction that is "ez kid ahah noob" after wb you with endless and 3 people, and "[insults]" when you win against them, or even them calling you a blocker when you are blocking them.

"not hello kitty world"
Yes, that's why the admin banning because I am evil "faker' is retarded. And a game using Kirby graphics in which nearly all players try to make the other mad is aggravating.
I am tired of being blocked by players, but I accept it, however unfair it is ingame, but when moderators help them with their broken blocking power, the ban, I think they deserve to get the DDoS blocking they have sometimes.
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Re: Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

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I don't know if xrothx was good or bad admin, i'm nobody to judge him. If he was a bad admin, you had just to report him to deen.

How account system will resolve the fake problem ? I can do that, but what will block you to use special chars ? It's useless to work on something easyly to move ... And on my blockers we are working on a member system, but it will not help with that i think (before DDNet, it was XXLDDrace on my servers, and this never helped against fakers).
If you use "Admin" or "Real Admin" as nickname, i don't care, most of tees knows who i am, and most of them can ask who is admin, there's no problem. I just don't show admin list to avoid players like "oh, there's admin, i leave or i stop to cheat". These kind of players doesn't care on who's admin.

Wtf it's a blocker server, don't cry to beeing 1vs100 ! Do team, talk with people, help people ... What you think ? I was one of the most blocked at begin, and i was not host, it was Hard Candy, and after a while, helping players and other thing, they was friendly with me. I was really passive, not a blocker, i was useless in game. It takes time to be known, it's the game, 1vs100 or be traited or wb, it's the game, a strategy. Faking is a bad thing, not away from ddosing someone just cause you loose.

If we just want to play, we play and not admin, same for friends, sometime i just skip theyr ask, and they understand. That's all, why crying again this and crying "bad admin bad admin" for nothing ? If you fake a friend and i'm moderating, i'll ban you yes, but i'll dont do that for all, just for friends or people making complaint with proof ; it's easy, i don't know just 1 tee, i know like 50% of my players (on 150 players, you can understand how many i know) ... You really thing i can't get the truth ?

Where did you read "no-moderation" on my servers ? Tell me ? It's a moderated server yes, but with just 2 or 3 fair admins (took long time to accept them and choose them, took the time to know them well before, and i listen complaints against them ... I've demoted some old admins for that and actually, nobody before you made a complaint against my admins ... Tell me his name, i'll be able to talk with him and check it, or just stop to cry), no more.

Just for you, i'll change "Broke rules ? Ok ban." by "Broking rules could ban you.". You'll be happy after that ? I hope.

If my moderation againt a friend make conflict, it's cause i wasn't his friend, so it's not a big loose, it's just bad for him. It's a virtual game, not reality, like all admins my virtual life has no impact on my real life ... I do just what makes me happy, and i'm happy to offer (i do my best for) good game servers (i host other games like Minecraft, for information) and to be a friendly admin for all.

wb is not forbidden afaik ...

Well i think, Roruman, we have talked about all in this post. You have your answer, that's all. Now tell me who was the abuser so i'll be able to take his point, or just don't care and there's no problem but don't complaint on "bad moderation". Other thing, blmapPepe on r0x.fr was always using DDNet Server bin without cheat, so NO ADMIN CAN ABUSE HIS POWER TO HELP, and i'm doing this for all of my servers, like DDNet did and do.
Other thing, you seems to be hated by many people, so why just not making a complaint and crying against yourself ? You seems to have some things to resolve with you ... Work on that and stop to think the world is against you. Againt, you'r virtual life is nothing more a waste of time, do all to keep it as a pleasure ... There's many gameplays on TW, and many other gun games like TW ... Find the best for you, stop to listen your own frustration ... We never meet players like you, just like 1 or 2 times a year, it's really nothing. Please work on you, and don't blame us to do the best for 90% of players.

Maybe change game or ... Like many other, try to host it and see if you can do better ? About this last point, i know some people who just said "it's so bad you are wrong" and after "oh sorry i've not understood before hosting, that's really a pain !". Yes, it's not easy to be admin, try and get this experience to understand maybe ?

This request is closed for me now, and useless by the way. We will be able to talk again when you'll understand on how to be more constructive than complaining, understanding on why it works like that and not in other way. I understand my mod you wasted his time like this ...
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Re: Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

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Maybe I should have reported him too.

"but what will block you to use special chars"
You can disable special characters. I saw games like this.

It would solve the faker problem. People identified would have an icon or another font than people who are guests. You can also use the friends' list to not mix it up with someone else.

"don't cry to beeing 1vs100"
You can say I cry all I want, but I am right in saying people on this server are too aggressive, unfair, and disrespectful. One day, on a server with 7 people, we all did fw, and it was more fun, and still not noob-like.
I am helper, I am also chatting with other people, but with 99% blockers on the servers, and the other people being oblivious, you can only be a blocker or not play if you want to survive.
I tell people precisely: "Look, this is a race wayblocker, I am helper and block blockers. Don't help him, because he will block all, even you, because blockers have infinite helpers and don't have morals, so they don't repay you.". It takes a lot of time to tell that to everyone, and sometimes they don't care, and ruin everything.

In race, I can manage better than SB, because in SB, people block you and have friends that will wb you if you defend against them.
Talking to them in chat is very often wasted time, when they will chat block you, and don't answer you except by "ez kid cry 10:0" etc.
One day, I was more and more wb, so I changed my name to "Help me fight wb" or something, and I spammed the chat for 10 minutes with messages like "HELP ME. THIS GUY IS WB FOR NO REASON, HE WILL BLOCK YOU FOR NO REASON TOO EVENTUALLY" etc. and someone eventually helped me win.
But it is so troublesome, it is not like playing anymore, and it doesn't work against some blockers who are "famous" and helped a lot.
Plus, if an admin is here, he might ban me for spamming or faking or whatever, when it is my last resort for trying to play. ;)

You were really passive, and it's different from my situation. You were on the defensive, and I am on offensive. I try to play, not just survive and keep a few weapons in a safe place or whatever.

Faking is not a bad thing, if you do it to bad people. People who are rude in chat and in game towards you, deserve mute or kick, so even if there is no moderation punishment, I use faking and it is well deserved.
Yes, sometimes I fake because I lose, or because it brings much better results, and so bad? Because it is effective, it is a bad thing, or I am a noob? I am still fighting against an entire team nearly by myself, and they are low.
You could also say that they wb only because they lose, but they still do it.

I'm not saying that if you are not moderating you are a bad admin, I am saying that if you are half-moderating, you are making things worse.
It only works for people you know. Do you think it doesn't take much more work to know all people and every time check who is fake, instead of making a system that will take some time, but after none at all?

"Where did you read "no-moderation" on my servers ?"
From the principle that blocker servers are usually made to be not moderated to keep the blockers away from DDRace, and also partly because the moderation that takes place is very occasional.

You want his name? Alright. You can check if you want the guy who was banned "5 minutes" then "400 minutes" yesterday. It was by Lexer.
Check in chat, he told I could insult.

I told you that what I want changed the most right now in rules, is that faking can not lead to a ban. I think I gave enough arguments for this.

I agree with you on the friends part. I can tell however you have been preferential to your friends in the past too.

"wb is not forbidden afaik ..."
then why would "faking" be forbidden? it's just choosing a name, it's not even insulting, it's not even preventing the player to play by blocking him in game.

No, you can abuse your admin power to help someone, by banning his enemy, for a petty reason. Teleporting or whatever would still be better.

Ahah, now I said I was hated by many people, so of course it's my fault. Do you know many thugs hate the police?
The reason I am hated by blockers, is that I block them. Then they say I am a blocker and I have no life, blablabla, but they blocked first and I told them none of this.
In this game, I am behaving much better than the majority of people. I am just "a fucking helper".

What makes you say I have things to solve with myself? Yes, why not, but what makes you say that? I complain against the animosity in the blocker servers, and occasional bad moderation. Now you have run out arguments, and your conclusion is that it is my fault and I have problems with myself?
I can already see how you will tell the other admin how sorry you are for him to be online with a player like me. :p

Please, no more "if you don't like it, go away". It is a virtual game, and there is a real life, it is only one mod, and there are other mods. Thank you, I know this. And what? It doesn't change our discussion. Even if I was a fat smelly no-life in his 30s, it wouldn't change what we are talking about. It's unrelated, just like our ages, etc.

And you are particularly wrong on something.
You say I am frustrated. However, I am not as frustrated as you think.
Sure, I am trying to make a point here and put emphasis on my words, but I am not mad.
You should how the blockers react when I win against them, spamming me they fucked my mother and to kill myself and die of cancer, threatening me of DDoS they can't do and telling everyone to block me.
Before you say I did something to deserve this: NO. They hard block everyone, me included, but I persevere, block them in the end, and if they complain, I explain them my motives.

" Like many other, try to host it and see if you can do better ?"
I am thinking of doing this too, but before, I wanted to share my experience with the already present communities and see what it would lead to.

I have been moderator, programmer of video games and forums before. Not in a scale such as yours, but I have some experience too.

I was being constructive, I gave arguments, I did not just complain, I explained what was wrong, why, and how to fix it.

Your mod was wrong, but you will not admit to it, and the one who wasted his time was Lisa who complained about a faker when she shouldn't have, just like I don't go complain to the moderator every time I am wayblocked.
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Re: Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

Post by Tezcan »

@Roruman, you can solve this problem when you join a team, go write "/team 1" and invite your friends to play with you in team, but stop crying in a "DDRace" Forum about a useless wayblock problem.
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Re: Unjust "Faker" bans on Blmaps

Post by o_tee_one »

- Lexer is one of the best moderator TeeWorlds blockers can have. And a really friendly and kind tee.
- Teleporting is not possible on non cheat (no test cmds) server, so if you read "DDrace Network" as gamemod, don't worry, there's no cheat (no teleport etc).
- Banning people for no reason is not in our code of conduct, so even Lexer can't do that for no reason. He just applied a rule : no fake.
- Talking on how he must act as moderator just cause you got a 4 min ban is not something to deal with, i understand Lexer.
- I'll be happy to join your server when it will be online, and maybe if you get many players you'll understand how you can't waste your time with these kind of things. You said xrothx was bad admin, but just to let you know he hosted TW just to do "better administrated server" than mine ; and did it well ? You seems to say no. And i think he left cause of difficulty to let all happy with administration. Without admin, it's just a poor server hard ddosed, cheated, chrashed and hacked.
- Maybe you are constructive, but you talk about something we already know and on what we do already many enhancement. Just the idea to change scoreboard on member could be a good idea but ... DDNet doesn't include a member system atm. Talked with DDNet admins : faking is not allowed too.
- Faking is not blocking, rules are here just in case there's something away from "blocker mind". Faking is not the gameplay of Blockers ... But WB ... Just understand why there's many way to wb in a map :) ? And why we don't do dedicated 1v1 ? What if you get 3v1 from 3 cheaters ? I think i'll let you with that, answering you "like faking and insulting, it's the game".
- My mod was right, and i admit it he was right. Unfortunately for you, Lisa is a good gamer without problem other than "blocking and having friend to help", that's your main complaint ; and a proof that you have to earn experience in your strategy.
- Actually i'm an "agressive player" and i fight unfair players (who's doing 2 or more vs 1, who's wbing), but i fight like a player, not like an admin. I just go war, sometime i ask help from friends, that's all, that's the game. With DDNet i've learned to help myself and learned to war. I'm still noob atm, but i'm learning everytime i play.

Actually, i don't know your real ingame name ... I've never seen you with the name you gave. I'm often ingame, that's really weird.

Now you have all your answers and understanding that you can change nothing, i hope you'll know success with your future server. Thanks for you suggestion on verified members, it's a point i'll maybe add to my servers soon.

Have a good day, i think that's all for now :).

nb : thank you @Tezcan, i hope more blockers will come to explain how blockers work to Roruman ............
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