Re: Removal of Rule 11 in User Guidelines
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:16 pm
The chat that Ryozuki referenced (posted with his permission):
Discord wrote: [7:41 PM] Ryozuki: btw will the ddnet administration do something about the result of the poll in viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6530
[8:24 PM] heinrich5991: I think that rule 11 is useful in online communities
[8:25 PM] Ryozuki: so what you think is more important then what 17 people thinks
[8:25 PM] Ryozuki: ?
[8:26 PM] heinrich5991: ddnet is not a direct democracy. if someone were to put a vote on "should we ban chillerdragon from the game" and it'd gain 90% approval, then that'd still not be the resulting action
[8:26 PM] Ryozuki: so what you think is more important then what 17 people thinks so this is true
[8:27 PM] heinrich5991: ddnet is not directed by a direct democracy, yes
[8:27 PM] heinrich5991: I offered you a way to suspend rule 11, in a controlled fashion
[8:28 PM] Ryozuki: i would better love to see you say "so what you think is more important then what 17 people thinks" instead of that superficial phrase
[8:28 PM] Ryozuki: but anyway
[8:29 PM] heinrich5991: I wouldn't want the outcome of arbitrary votes on the forum result in direct consequences
[8:31 PM] Ryozuki: so your opinion is more important than non ddnet staff ones
[8:31 PM] Ryozuki: even if they are lot more than you
[8:31 PM] Ryozuki: thats nice
[8:32 PM] heinrich5991: if someone were to find 17 people in support of banning person X permanently from ddnet, should the admins enforce that vote?
[8:32 PM] heinrich5991: or should they make their opinion "more important" than the 17 people?
[8:33 PM] Ryozuki: i guess that person should be banned yea
[8:33 PM] Ryozuki: btw,
Ryozuki, mokuz, hi_leute_gll, Tezcan, lola, Jesus Christ, SPSomeone, Greeen, Prankster, Pastoer, fokkonaut, worstwish, ghosnon, Ninjed, Lumpy ◐ω◑, Welf, N9mkOik:D
some of them are trolls, but some are long ddnet users
[8:33 PM] heinrich5991: okay, so you'd be fine with someone starting a poll "let's ban ryozuki" and them getting a majority?
[8:33 PM] Ryozuki: Yes i'm fine, if you remove the rule
[8:34 PM] heinrich5991: I doubt it
[8:34 PM] Ryozuki: :shrug:
[8:34 PM] Ryozuki: yeah, i'm sorry, i forgot that your opinion is more valid than others
[8:35 PM] heinrich5991: we have mods on the servers, because the opinion of the majority is not necessarily useful
[8:35 PM] Ryozuki: as i expected ddnet never goes further, every discussion that happens every x times and everything remains equal
[8:36 PM] Ryozuki: 0 actions from admins from user feedback
[8:36 PM] Ryozuki: its awesome
[8:36 PM] heinrich5991: that's untrue
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[8:36 PM] heinrich5991: I offered you to link your forum where we can discuss without rule 11
[8:37 PM] heinrich5991: please actually do that latter thing
[8:37 PM] Ryozuki: i'm not actually convinced of that later thing
[8:37 PM] heinrich5991: okay
[8:37 PM] Ryozuki: being on another webpage and make them register again
[8:37 PM] Ryozuki: that will make u favour for sure
[8:38 PM] Ryozuki: <snip> which i demanded (1 person) and not accept the removal of rule actually being demanded by more people?
[8:39 PM] heinrich5991: should I rather not <snip>?
[8:39 PM] heinrich5991: I mean, that's not a useful measurement. even if only one person suggests something, it can be a valid concern