Selected Maps

[jao]

Not caring for user feedback is a bad excuse.. You can't deny that hi_leute_gll's proposal makes sense and has a lot thought into it, so refusing to improve just because you don't like the person that showed you how is pretty egoistic from an Admin perspective.

As an Admin you're in the position to allow and deny one user's "rant". Don't let one person controll what you're doing. I'm sure more people would like to know who selected the maps.

[aaa]

there is literally no reason of knowing who made the list, and i've answered that..

what does it change? the only purpose is to trash these people

would the list feel better if it was made by a "balanced team of mappers/pros casual" rather than "a single player"?
what would that exactly change in the currently selected maps?

his points would still stand (and my answers aswell), so please tell me a good reason aside from curiosity to reveal who made it?
or did i miss something in the "this mapper has X maps, it's unfair, but if it was made by a balanced team it wouldn't be as unfair, while if it was only made by 1 guy my point would be totally true! so tell me who did it " is that the logic behind trying to know who made the list? lol

trying to know who made it is simply having the wrong mindset or clearly not having the actual goal of improving it
and that's valid for anything in life.. when you think something is fucked up, it doesn't matter who fucked up (in the first place anyway)
what matters is how you're gonna fix it, if that's what u actually want

now he wrote what he thought was wrong, we read it; lot of it is subjective and anyway the list itself is subjective, so making decisions on that kind of stuff will always be controversial

[Welf]

so refusing to improve just because you don't like the person that showed you how is pretty egoistic from an Admin perspective.

We often discussed stuff in discord, i had arguments and reasons and you left the conversations without explaining yourself. Don't say this now xD

Edit: @hi_leute_gll in the past you never revealed the list of iMTG members (aka the guys who made your selected maps), but you are not able to understand, that names shouldn't be leaked? It seems like you only want to hate that person who made the list so it is the right choice to not tell it to anybody.

[jao]

If I was to improve the list, I would try to work it out with the person who made it as they have most knowledge about it and else it would be pretty unfair for them. Also, to know how to improve you have to know what went wrong, so you obviously have to get those informations from the person who is responsible for it.

so refusing to improve just because you don't like the person that showed you how is pretty egoistic from an Admin perspective.

We often discussed stuff in discord, i had arguments and reasons and you left the conversations without explaining yourself. Don't say this now xD

There is a difference of a personal discussion where you literally insult me and a public discussion with an Admin about community relevant topics.

[Welf]

@jao: You are the guy who spreads lies into my face and asking for a friendship afterwards, sorry if i get angry sometimes in this special case (don't use our discussions as an argument in case you are bad at arguing)

[Welf]

Also, to know how to improve you have to know what went wrong, so you obviously have to get those informations from the person who is responsible for it.

That makes no sense. Hi_leute_gll said what went wrong in his opinion without knowing who made it.

[aaa]

but that's not what he wanted, and even then you don't need the name to be revealed publicly if the goal is simply to work with whoever made the list

you just need to explain why you think it's "wrong" (once again it's based on personal opinions), find the "mistakes" and make sure they don't happen again
you can't possibly know "what went wrong" on a subjective task with a sample size of 2 lists..
and even if you could, you would just need an explanation by whoever did it on how they proceeded, you REALLY don't need the names to be included in the thinking process.

edit: ironically enough hi_leute even demonstrates this, proving himself wrong on the importance of knowing the names.
he explains how imtg proceeded without any name being mentionned, simply the method they used and that's more than enough to understand how it was made, having the full list would literally not change anything besides ppl flaming the members (hint: it even happened on this thread without a single name being called, now imagine with actual names.)

[Welf]

Jao it seems like you only care about the list and who made it, because hi_leute_gll cares. I am thinking this way, because your reasons don't make any sense (aaa explained this to you).

Don't let one person controll what you're doing.

[jao]

...you don't need the name to be revealed publicly if the goal is simply to work with whoever made the list

You are not wrong, though this was never mentioned and there was no response/change whatsoever.

you can't possibly know "what went wrong" on a subjective task with a sample size of 2 lists..

As hi_leute said, the process may was too subjective, so that's a thing you can (objectively) asume went wrong. And there is more stuff, such as making rushed decisions, including people with little knowledge, etc..

..., you would just need an explanation by whoever did it on how they proceeded, ...

If you think explaining how it was done is sufficent, then why didn't you do it already for your list?

[Welf]

Jao are you drunk? Your post makes no sense to me.