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This gotta stop now.

Post by Aoe » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:15 am

Everyday i see so many good maps is being declined because hi_leute_gll & Knight are group leaders of Testing Team
They go by the 1'st Mapper Rule like it was their main goal in life:
  1. Be creative! Do not steal parts or create parts that are very similar to parts on other maps. Instead use your fantasy and create something unique or improve existing parts significantly.
But lets try and be realistic for a second, shall we?. How on earth would you create a map, where you can't map anything that hasnt been seen before. its allmost impossible, and if you do manage to do it, it often sucks so hard that the map would never be played, lets take a look at hi_leute_gll map GLL which he obviously thinks is how a DDNET map should be.
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Ironic enough, People dont want to play these "new creative ideas" because people like the good old teeworlds. and whats even worse, he is breaking the top priority rule in his map, and he still declines other maps because of that?
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Not the first time ive seen this part, or was hi_leute_gll the 1'st one to create such a part?

And Knight .. Your a nice guy, but i must admit it, i do not like Your Maps.. you spam maps like prostitude spits out babys. I dont even feel like counting them but i bet there is around 40 maps. and you take this rule
  1. Be creative! Do not steal parts or create parts that are very similar to parts on other maps. Instead use your fantasy and create something unique or improve existing parts significantly.
to a whole new level. I havent seen at least 1 part that you made up.


Lets see what hi_leute_gll said about my maps.

TRC_Gores (never got released)
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Aim 11.0
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Baby Aim 2.0
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  • Heres an example of a perfectly good map being sent straight to Archive
Here is what testers said about the map Grandpa by Fňokurka oo7
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But yet again, hi_leute_gll & Knight is the Group leaders, so what other thinks is not important
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back then Deen was admin and he wouldnt let hi_leute_gll delince good maps, but now that he is on the "throne" he is abusing it to the fulliest, Guess what, i stopped mapping, and why? because i dont want to spend hours of my time mapping just so hi_leute_gll & Knight can say its not creative enough so it will go to Archive

Did any of you ever decide that hi_leute_gll & Knight should be group leaders of Testing Team? I sure did not. And I dont think any of you would have anything against that we got some people that actually knows what the Community wants, insted of their own personal decisions. In my opinion the only mapper rule should be:
  1. Make your map fun! Your map is supposed to be fun for players, not to bore them. Avoid time wasting parts.
If we dont get new group leaders of Testing Team I want my maps off DDNET. I dont want this adminstration to have my maps. I tried earlier to get them off DDNET but it seemed impossible.
This is yet another stupid attempt to try and make things right but im just yet another guy from the community which you guys obviously dont really seem to care much about, guess you have to be admin to have a thing to say these days.. sad.

Is what you want stupid new shit maps with "creative ideas" so people eventually will quit this game? or do you want a teeworlds with nice maps that actually is being played because they are enjoyable?. I sure know why i play teeworlds, that isnt to see some dumb ass tune zone, its to play the game with fun parts.

Here is what Deen (creator of DDNET) thinks about hi_leute_gll being admin.
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Re: This gotta stop now.

Post by imp » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:32 am

My opinion about Baby Aim 2.0: I think it's bad when so many parts are consisting of 1-3 edge hooks on moderate server. I think it's more for brutal servers and if used on mod servers, only at a low level.

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Re: This gotta stop now.

Post by Aoe » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:38 am

imp wrote:My opinion about Baby Aim 2.0: I think it's bad when so many parts are consisting of 1-3 edge hooks on moderate server. I think it's more for brutal servers and if used on mod servers, only at a low level.
My Aim series has allways bin about edgehooks, and i was told to create a serie on moderate servers with easy edgehooks to learn how to do them and eventually be able to finish the actual Aim series.
But ye, they could be brutal 1, but i dont concider them to be brutal with the rankings we got at the moment, we see moderate maps on novice server. the novice server was made for new players that never played the game but that quickly was changed to an easy version of moderate.
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Re: This gotta stop now.

Post by imp » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:42 am

Ye, map ratings are inappropriate, that's why some wanted a "noob-server" with "noob maps". If you really wanted to make a "learn to edgehook"-map then you should add stoppers and such stuff, so people dont need to hit the edge so fast and later on make some edge hook parts without stoppers.. and not too much edge hook a row.. that would be nicer to learn edge hook. Basically I also like to train edge hook on novice or moderate parts. You can train edge hook at every part you play so I do it ^^

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Re: This gotta stop now.

Post by hannibal » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:46 am

I agree.

I wonder what exactly caused the change in general mood we're seeing at the moment. The new leaders haven't actually done anything impactful and still, everyone is leaving DDNet. I often can't find friends to play or pros to spec anymore, that never happened before.

I guess what we can learn: good mappers are very, very important to DDNet and they should always be treated fair and respectfully. Ironically, hi_leute wanted only good maps, now DDNet will be left with no maps at all.

We can also see what's important and what not. For example, the "map rating" is something people love to discuss, but it's actually NOT important at all for community-size and -mood.

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Re: This gotta stop now.

Post by Aoe » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:50 am

100% agree with you 2.
funny how DDNET stands for Dummy Drag NETWORK. when the network (community) has nothing to say anymore.
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Re: This gotta stop now.

Post by Ryozuki » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:16 pm

It's true that hi_leute_gll is like the only who decide if a map gets released. I don't like that, my map To the moon, a lot testers said its rdy, abd im still here, waiting for months and months. i asked him in skype. You like the map, he said "idk" i supose thats why it stilles there, with no response.

So my purpose is hi_leute_gll, if most testers agree with release, DO it

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Re: This gotta stop now.

Post by Skyrel » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:13 pm

I agree with Aoe... Why only hi_leute_gll and Knight decide what map will be released?
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Re: This gotta stop now.

Post by kamillentee » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:28 pm

I like critics as a sign of a good comunity. So I may bring my part into the thread.

You give very good examples Aoe. Im talking about TRC_gores. As a part of KoG we declined exactly this map too because it was bad. Saying hi_leute_gll is declining every map from you with bringing examples of bad declined maps is not a proper way of discussion. Unfortunaly I cant rate if your aim maps are as good as you say since i dont care about aim maps.

And there is the quote of deen and his opinion of hi_leute_gll. He did not even answer towards the question from imp and Ryozuki "What did hi_leute_gll do". But you already take this comment into you post. Taking an unconvincing opinion of a powerful person is more like propaganda than a real argument. You are just trying to surf on the bad mood wave that searches for a black sheep called hi_leute. We all know you dont like him same like many others. But putting the opinion about a person together with that what the person actually do is a bad behaviour.

I can clearly say hi_leute_gll is a good person and always try to do the best for the community.

I dont like the map GLL too, same like your aim maps

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Re: This gotta stop now.

Post by Aoe » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:31 pm

Sadly if i reveal the evidence i would like to, i will just get banned from forum like last time i did it. so i can't show everyone on this forum what he has done & said in private convasations.
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And yes TRC_Gores sucks ass xD was my first map ever, was also to show that i can't map anything without it being declined by him.
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